Episode 070

Stefan is off on his holidays (again), so James dialled up one of his old blogging compadres, and fellow mobile broadcaster, Ben Smith, from the 361 Degrees Mobile Podcast.

The temporary duo chat about the newly/finally announced HTC One Max, T-Mobile’s industry-busting global data charges, and dare we say it – the AMAZON PHONE.

Ben’s a nice guy, you should tune in for him alone.

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[Episode 070, 32 minutes, 55 seconds, 31.6 MB]

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Episode 070

8 thoughts on “Episode 070

  1. I’m just interested in a passing comment, referring to the HTC One’s ‘Industrial Design’.

    What qualifies it, or any phone, to be ‘industrially designed’?

  2. Yup, it’s a ‘thing’. But like ‘skewmorphism’ I’d contend think it is a term that has become popularised as a marketing USP.

    I hear every phone is ‘industrially designed’ – I’d be interested to know what phone(s) do you think are NOT industrially designed?

    Nice find on the Stuff article – there’s me thinking ‘take the iPhone 5, round the back off and bingo’. 😉

    1. Hmm. Good question.

      I see where you’re going, but I’m not sure I agree that it’s been hijacked as a marketing thing (yet). Going on the very definition of industrial design, I would imagine it is quite difficult to design a build a modern day handset with out it.

      You’d probably have to go quite far back, maybe even to the 80s, to find something that you could question the industrial design of. But even then, the product guys were only working with what was possible.

      Going back to what made you mention it in the first place, I guess it’s less about whether something has industrial design or not (as I think we’ve established that all devices must have had some kind of industrial design input at some point), but more instead about whether or not that industrial design is actually any good.

      The HTC One excels in this area. As does, in my opinion, the Lumia 925. Other devices, not so much.

      On the flipside if you remember the iPhone 4’s antenna issue, that’s a good example of bad industrial design.

  3. The Wiki definition states that it’s hard to define!

    My personal take is that ‘Industrial Design’ is a misnomer for ‘Apple minimalism’. No fuss or adornment. Clean lines that endure.

    I don’t know if cars are your thing? I’d guess that a Porsche 911 has more rightness of ‘industrial’ design about – it’s basically the same design over 50 years and with minor modifications, still looks contemporary (never mind how it drives). The BMW Z4 say is the opposite – fussy, a rush of lines and dating quickly.

    I’d agree that had the iPhone 4’s antenna been unresolvable and Apple had to change the radio design for the 4S onwards, that would have been bad industrial design. As it was, it was just poorly executed on the 4 and has worked fine on subsequent models.

    1. Re the Porsche, you’re referring (in the main) to how it looks. Which is pure design, surely? Clean lines and minimalism, that’s product design.

      According to the IDSA (Industrial Designers Society of America): “Industrial design is the professional service of creating and developing concepts and specifications that optimize the function, value and appearance of products and systems for the mutual benefit of both user and manufacturer.”

      1. Sure, clean lines and minimalism are aesthetics. But all-round the aesthetic design complements the mechanicals to achieve a great sports car.

        The issue with that IDSA definition is what other school of design would not claim to focus on those areas it defines?

        If all devices have some industrial design input and it’s about whether the results are good or not, isn’t it it a case that the term alone is meaningless?

        Anyway, in the midst of all this discussion (?), you’re turning out a great podcast. Stefan and yourself do sterling work, however – more Ben! He really summed up the Blackberry letter succinctly and swearily.

        More swearing.

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